On the claim “you are ignorant of Christianity” and the metaphysics of religion.
- Posted by Paul Gowder on May 3rd, 2009 filed in philosophy, religion
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Atheists constantly are accused of being ignorant of Christianity, or religion in general, whenever we have the chutzpah to criticize it.
I don’t think this is even possible, certainly not in the U.S.: religion, and particularly Christianity, are so utterly pervasive in our daily lives — we all celebrate the Christian religious holidays and take the day off; it’s impossible to avoid churches or the post-church crowds at one’s favorite brunch place; everyone knows the basic myths of the Christian religion and the rituals of its major branches, we can all roughly say who Job and Moses and Peter were and what baptism and catholic confirmation and transubstantiation are; we all know many Christians and have doubtless been proselytized at more than once; many of us are former Christians ourselves; most own or have read the Bible; we’ve all dealt with its impact on our politics — need I go on? (All minorities tend to know much more about the majority culture than vice versa, incidentally.)
I take it that the “you’re ignorant of Christianity” crowd does not mean to suggest, then, that atheists are more ignorant of Christianity than, well, Christians are. Rather, the claim is that we are ignorant of some theological texts and arguments — we don’t really have a grip on the latest revisionary scholarship about how one doesn’t have to believe the earth is six thousand years old to be a Christian, or we haven’t read all the way through City of God. As if your average churchgoer, or even your average cleric, knows this stuff!
This comes down, again, I think, to the question of what Christianity, or any other religion, is. Is the essence of a religion in its practice — in what its actual adherents think and do — or is it in some body of text? (Selected how? For every Aquinas there’s a Robertson or a Phelps.) Perhaps we ought to speak of Christianity-P, Christianity as practiced, and Christianity-A, Christianity as Aquinas, Augustine, etc. would have it.
But then those who say “you’re ignorant of Christianity” are guilty of a simple equivocation: we criticize, primarily, Christianity-P, and they accuse us of being ignorant of Christianity-A. We can’t help but know Christianity-P, it’s shoved in our faces all the time. And we’re addressing our objections to Christianity, not to Kierkegaard, but to ordinary believers who ought not to believe what they do believe, and what they do believe is not what Kierkegaard said.
An illustration from the above-linked Salon article, a review of a book by Eagleton repeating the same tired-old atheist ignorance trope:
Many secular intellectuals, for instance, have claimed as Christian doctrine “the idea that God is some kind of superentity outside the universe, that he created the world rather as a carpenter might create a stool; that faith in this God means above all subscribing to the proposition that he exists; that there is a real me inside me called the soul, which a wrathful God may consign to hell if I am not egregiously well-behaved; that our utter dependency on this deity is what stops us thinking and acting for ourselves; that this God cares deeply about whether we are sinful or not, because if we are then he demands to be placated.”
As Eagleton knows, some Christian believers, especially in the various strains of fundamentalism, would subscribe to most if not all of those propositions. But he’s right that from the perspective of the past several centuries’ worth of mainline Protestant and Catholic theology, none of those statements is true. In those terms, they range from crude distortions to outright idolatry. Aquinas would tell you that God is not an entity of any classifiable or verifiable kind and most certainly is not a mega-manufacturer who plotted out the universe on some celestial computer screen. Rather, “God is what sustains all things in being by his love, and … is the reason why there is something instead of nothing, the condition of possibility of any entity whatsoever.”
That is, Eagleton wants us to address a critique of — well, of basically deism, or some sort of Kantian theology, to people who believe in hellfire fundamentalism. Yeah, that’s gonna make a whole lot of sense.
Of course, you could just retreat to expressivism about religious statements:
The creedal declaration “I believe in God” is a statement of action and will; it is performative rather than assertive. It is not equivalent to the claim that God exists (although Christians believe that too). It possesses the kind of certainty that belongs to such wistful sentences as “I love you” or “I believe the Mets are the best team in baseball.” It clearly lacks the empirical certainty of the sentence “I believe this maple tree will turn red in October.”
… but, well, fine! If “I believe in God” means the same thing as “I like cheese,” then I have no objection to religion. You have your God, I have my cheese, and we can go home. (Or, perhaps, I can start knocking on your door with a nice hunk of chevre. “Have you accepted the milk pail marketplace as your personal cheese store?”)
Perhaps this is just me. I am a pragmatic and political atheist. I really don’t care whether people choose to hold a bunch of vague sentiments that happen to be expressed in the language of ontotheology. I care whether people actually believe in ontotheology (they do, they shouldn’t), and, much more, whether they believe things that entail bothering others (they do, they shouldn’t), like the beliefs that abortion and gay sex are immoral because contrary to divine command and should be forbidden, the belief that evolution is false and shouldn’t be taught as true, that I’m going to hell unless they knock on my damned door and blither on at me for a while about some embodied deity who committed suicide by dictator so that I wouldn’t be waterboarded by Satan for all eternity, that is, into periods long after I cease existing for some other dude having eaten a fucking apple. And those are the beliefs that Dawkins et. al. are primarily arguing against.
Judging from the review, Eagleton slips into actual contradiction at some point:
[Eagleton] says that he speaks on behalf of his Irish Catholic forebears, “against the charge that the creed to which they dedicated their lives is worthless and void.”
Wrong! The creed Eagleton defends (at least on the review’s account) is not, on all probability, the creed in which his Irish Catholic forebears believed. Is one to swallow the extravagant claim that they dedicated their lives to a creed other than the one in which they believed? In fact, Eagleton’s theology seems like a sort of bass-ackwards Hegelianism in which the torturing-to-death of Jesus represents “the truth of history” in opposition (!!) to enlightenment progress narratives.
(Incidentally, I do wish people would stop lumping Dawkins and Hitchens in together. Eagleton goes so far as to coin the evidently deliberately offensive “Ditchkins.” Hitchens is an alcoholic moron rantbot. Dawkins is an actual and well-regarded scientist and a thoughtful critic of religion.)

May 3rd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
But then those who say “you’re ignorant of Christianity” are guilty of a simple equivocation: we criticize, primarily, Christianity-P, and they accuse us of being ignorant of Christianity-A. We can’t help but know Christianity-P, it’s shoved in our faces all the time.
:) Ah, but you are guilty of a simple equivocation here; we are criticizing, primarily, atheism-1, which does think its criticisms perfectly general, while with your use of ‘we’ to indicate a unanimity among atheists that simply does not exist, you are conflating it with atheism-2, which only criticizes Christianity-P. We can’t help but know atheism-1; there are plenty of people shoving it in our faces.
May 3rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Hah, touche!
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Although I do wonder sometimes if anyone believes the version of Christianity of which people like Eagleton think atheists are ignorant. I mean, when a top philosopher of religion like Plantinga thinks that evolution is contrary to his faith… (also)
May 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Try being an atheist in the South, where the first thing people ask when they learn you’re new in town is “Which church did you join?”
May 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
I’m less impressed by Plantinga (and, it seems, Dawkins) than you are, I’m afraid.
Eagleton’s preferred spin on Christianity is highly liberalized — i.e., it basically takes the whole thing as a set of externalized metaphors for social justice — Marx-ized Feuerbach, which is why he sounds like “a sort of bass-ackwards Hegelianism”. And it’s this modified Marxist in Eagleton that’s really doing the talking here: his criticisms of Dawkins are criticisms of Dawkins’s bourgeois values. This is often very noticeable: he often uses ‘bourgeois’, ’suburban’, and similar adjectives to insult Dawkins. Eagleton’s own use of the argument reflects this; he thinks it reflects a feature of bourgeois intellectualism that he hates, namely, that it cocoons itself off from the ignorant masses rather than recognizing that the views they hold and respect have the potential for fueling social progress if nudged in the right direction. That’s the way I think he should be read, anyway; it’s a bit different from the way he usually is read.
But it is true that Dawkins makes many mistakes that were often avoided by earlier generations of atheists, because those atheists took more trouble to trace out what they were criticizing before jumping in and criticizing it, and took pride in the fact. A shift in the ethos of freethinkers, I suppose; because of it they also had to put up with not being quite so noticed as Dawkins is.
May 3rd, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Perhaps I actually need to add Feuerbach to my reading list. I only really know him through Marx (like everyone else). What’s the best of his religion stuff?
May 4th, 2009 at 4:41 am
Feuerbach is not actually all that interesting usually, so he doesn’t really have a best. His most famous work, and the work that lays out his position most simply, is The Essence of Christianity. The Marxists Internet Archive has George Eliot’s translation of it online.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Thanks, I’ll give it a read.
May 7th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Oddly, Christians who are abysmally ignorant of Islam have no scruples about criticizing Islam. And vice versa.
And they’re both right.
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There are many varieties of Christianity, and some self-identified Christians regard followers of different varieties as “not really Christian”. Spokesmen including the Pope, Cal Thomas, and Jimmy Swaggart have made claims like this.
I’ve been an atheist for 25 years now. It may seem odd that I even HAVE an opinion about what “real” Christianity consists of, and even odder that I should care. But I do. I did a study of the ethical teachings of Jesus, available at http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/JesusEthics.htm … and so I became aware that the great bulk of modern Christianity does not remotely resemble what Jesus taught. It seems to me that an elementary respect for the man would require that, if you claim to be his follower, you should at least know what he taught, and make some effort to actually do the things he told his followers to do.
The teachings of “Modern Sophisticated Theologians” resemble the teachings of Jesus even less than do the beliefs of the rank and file. Accordingly I don’t see any reason why I should bother to educate myself about them.