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		<title>Comment on What Liberty?  Whose?  Three arguments in defense of Chemerinsky&#8217;s proposal to shutter the private schools. by Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3474&#038;cpage=1#comment-228778</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Footnote at the nexus of arguments A and B: parental control over their children is itself a form of coercion backed up directly by the state (which can backstop parent&#039;s authority and coercive power with its own in extreme cases) as well as indirectly by enforcing parental monopolies on resources (i.e. property etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Footnote at the nexus of arguments A and B: parental control over their children is itself a form of coercion backed up directly by the state (which can backstop parent&#8217;s authority and coercive power with its own in extreme cases) as well as indirectly by enforcing parental monopolies on resources (i.e. property etc.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Liberty?  Whose?  Three arguments in defense of Chemerinsky&#8217;s proposal to shutter the private schools. by Liberty, Equality, and Modernity &#124; Josh Blackman&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3474&#038;cpage=1#comment-228763</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberty, Equality, and Modernity &#124; Josh Blackman&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 22:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Paul Gowder has a post responding to mine here. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The benefits of a bad reputation. by LemmusLemmus</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3470&#038;cpage=1#comment-226470</link>
		<dc:creator>LemmusLemmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collective good problem?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Groping toward a 21st century right of revolution/2nd amendment, OR: Machiavelli was right, as usual. by Paul Gowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2nd thought.  If regime stability is in part abt common knowledge of military obedience, then widespread soldiers refusing to fire = instant regime collapse non?  (Depends on whether punishments work?  Some game theory would be nice for this.  Maybe a signaling thing?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2nd thought.  If regime stability is in part abt common knowledge of military obedience, then widespread soldiers refusing to fire = instant regime collapse non?  (Depends on whether punishments work?  Some game theory would be nice for this.  Maybe a signaling thing?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Groping toward a 21st century right of revolution/2nd amendment, OR: Machiavelli was right, as usual. by Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3467&#038;cpage=1#comment-224782</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Follow-up: might actually be MORE chancy if protestors are armed, because then soldiers would be in danger and fear and more likely to be willing to fire on those rebelling...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Follow-up: might actually be MORE chancy if protestors are armed, because then soldiers would be in danger and fear and more likely to be willing to fire on those rebelling&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do cords always get tangled?  The answer is inertia, not entropy. by Just Call Me St00f</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3437&#038;cpage=1#comment-224399</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Call Me St00f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well played Joann Leonard, Well played indeed. I would try to use some fancy wording and explanation, but I&#039;m afraid these guys would tear me apart for just writing such a thing as their eloquence is intimidating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played Joann Leonard, Well played indeed. I would try to use some fancy wording and explanation, but I&#8217;m afraid these guys would tear me apart for just writing such a thing as their eloquence is intimidating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Violence, the Fundamental Attribution Error, and Contempt for the Poor by Britta</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3442&#038;cpage=1#comment-214058</link>
		<dc:creator>Britta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

Good post. Sociologists and anthropologists doing studies of urban ghettos have made similar points, i.e., that behaviors which allow for survival in extreme poverty are not conducive to middle class success. For example, survival generally requires some sort of collective pooling of resources, which then makes individual saving, the backbone of middle class morality, impossible, because those who come into an amount of money or a higher paying job are embedded in a network of obligation. Likewise, studies on teen pregnancy show that teen pregnancy and single motherhood is beneficial for the very poor, while deleterious for the middle class or working poor. So, the decision to get pregnant at 15 is generally option A for a girl in an urban ghetto, but option C for the people commenting on this blog.

Secondly, your point on prison gangs should be highlighted. Joining a gang in prison is option A, the best option, for most people in prison. However, gang affiliation does not end at the prison walls and is very hard to exit. Given the incarceration rates of black men in the US, gang affiliation, this is not a trivial point. Likewise, incarceration also affects the other issues, such as singleness. When most men in your cohort are in prison, scarcity of mates makes singleness a rational option in addition to the lack of desirability. Secondly, it means that initially stable and long-term relationships are far more likely to end with the incarceration of the man in the relationship. 

Finally, racism. Comments comparing black people unfavorably to immigrants miss that urban &#039;white&#039; ethnics engaged in widespread violent gang activity and organized crime and lived lives that were &#039;nasty, brutish, and short&#039; in the tenement slums of NYC and other urban ghettos. However, the ability to assimilate into WASP society coinciding right about the time of mass migration of blacks from the South to the North (for precisely the reason that they were whitER than black people) allowed for Italians/Irish/etc. to escape cycles of poverty after few generations. As black migrants never had that option, the standard upward immigrant trajectory was unavailable to them. 

Finally, the creation of Northern urban ghettos is also predicated on the widespread collapse of manufacturing and the layoff of black workers, who then for reasons including discrimination had fewer options than white factory workers. Lack of gainful employment options over generations completely changes the landscape of what is a &#039;rational&#039; goal in life. My guess is most commenters here, if the options were 1) lifelong unemployment &amp; borderline homelessness, 2) stressful minimum wage jobs, or 3) a comparative interesting and remunerative career in the black market would choose (3), particularly if they were intelligent. If left with (1) or (2), an early death as a side effect of using drugs, alcohol, and drug foods as analgesics also seems more rational than a long physically and psychologically miserable life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>Good post. Sociologists and anthropologists doing studies of urban ghettos have made similar points, i.e., that behaviors which allow for survival in extreme poverty are not conducive to middle class success. For example, survival generally requires some sort of collective pooling of resources, which then makes individual saving, the backbone of middle class morality, impossible, because those who come into an amount of money or a higher paying job are embedded in a network of obligation. Likewise, studies on teen pregnancy show that teen pregnancy and single motherhood is beneficial for the very poor, while deleterious for the middle class or working poor. So, the decision to get pregnant at 15 is generally option A for a girl in an urban ghetto, but option C for the people commenting on this blog.</p>
<p>Secondly, your point on prison gangs should be highlighted. Joining a gang in prison is option A, the best option, for most people in prison. However, gang affiliation does not end at the prison walls and is very hard to exit. Given the incarceration rates of black men in the US, gang affiliation, this is not a trivial point. Likewise, incarceration also affects the other issues, such as singleness. When most men in your cohort are in prison, scarcity of mates makes singleness a rational option in addition to the lack of desirability. Secondly, it means that initially stable and long-term relationships are far more likely to end with the incarceration of the man in the relationship. </p>
<p>Finally, racism. Comments comparing black people unfavorably to immigrants miss that urban &#8216;white&#8217; ethnics engaged in widespread violent gang activity and organized crime and lived lives that were &#8216;nasty, brutish, and short&#8217; in the tenement slums of NYC and other urban ghettos. However, the ability to assimilate into WASP society coinciding right about the time of mass migration of blacks from the South to the North (for precisely the reason that they were whitER than black people) allowed for Italians/Irish/etc. to escape cycles of poverty after few generations. As black migrants never had that option, the standard upward immigrant trajectory was unavailable to them. </p>
<p>Finally, the creation of Northern urban ghettos is also predicated on the widespread collapse of manufacturing and the layoff of black workers, who then for reasons including discrimination had fewer options than white factory workers. Lack of gainful employment options over generations completely changes the landscape of what is a &#8216;rational&#8217; goal in life. My guess is most commenters here, if the options were 1) lifelong unemployment &amp; borderline homelessness, 2) stressful minimum wage jobs, or 3) a comparative interesting and remunerative career in the black market would choose (3), particularly if they were intelligent. If left with (1) or (2), an early death as a side effect of using drugs, alcohol, and drug foods as analgesics also seems more rational than a long physically and psychologically miserable life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do cords always get tangled?  The answer is inertia, not entropy. by Joann Leonard</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3437&#038;cpage=1#comment-213957</link>
		<dc:creator>Joann Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do dialogues always get tangled?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Violence, the Fundamental Attribution Error, and Contempt for the Poor by kr</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3442&#038;cpage=1#comment-211245</link>
		<dc:creator>kr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo, i think you are right on point.  i agree. 

i&#039;m taking a class with caplan right now... he is clearly an intelligent guy - but he reeks of entitlement - he&#039;s got this cocky self righteousness that makes it hard for me to listen charitably to his arguments.

keep up the awesome, peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo, i think you are right on point.  i agree. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m taking a class with caplan right now&#8230; he is clearly an intelligent guy &#8211; but he reeks of entitlement &#8211; he&#8217;s got this cocky self righteousness that makes it hard for me to listen charitably to his arguments.</p>
<p>keep up the awesome, peace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why do cords always get tangled?  The answer is inertia, not entropy. by Physical Chemist</title>
		<link>http://uncommon-priors.com/?p=3437&#038;cpage=1#comment-211152</link>
		<dc:creator>Physical Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, and no, none taken. We each have different priors for inferring the tone of written text, and my assumptions about yours were unfounded. I should have taken a different approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, and no, none taken. We each have different priors for inferring the tone of written text, and my assumptions about yours were unfounded. I should have taken a different approach.</p>
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